Property: Debt vs Equity | Conviction Capital | Episode 3

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Property: Debt vs Equity | Conviction Capital | Episode 3

Alex AbellDavid Dix
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  • Property offers two distinct investment paths: equity ownership, with exposure to income and capital growth, or debt, earning interest while sitting higher in the capital stack.
  • Higher rates and tighter conditions are creating both risks and opportunities, with quality, income-producing assets and conservative lending standing out.
  • Investors should look beyond headline yields: manager track record, gearing, liquidity, asset quality and the ability to protect capital are critical.

Property markets are being reshaped by higher interest rates, tighter financing conditions and changing valuations. In this episode of Conviction Capital; Alex Abell from ASA Real Estate and David Dix from Thinktank explain how they are approaching the market from opposite sides of the capital stack.

The discussion compares property equity with property debt, looking at where returns come from, how risk changes with gearing and what investors should consider when choosing between capital growth and income. They also examine the impact of higher rates, private credit and the growing amount of capital chasing property-backed lending.

The conversation also explores where the opportunities and risks lie, from essential-services retail and quality existing assets to conservative commercial lending. Both managers emphasise the importance of track record, asset quality, liquidity, governance and understanding exactly what investors are being paid for — and what could go wrong.


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Alex Abell, ASA
Alex Abell
Managing Partner, ASA Real Estate Partners Pty Ltd

Over 20 years’ of experience across all the key areas of real estate funds management, including asset management, leasing, capital transactions, corporate finance and investor relations. Head of Listed Funds (total assets $2.4 billion) and Fund manager Dexus Industria REIT (ASX:DXI) (formerly APN Industria REIT) $1.6 billion portfolio grown from approximately $400 million in 2016. Delivered one of the first carbon neutral certified ASX listed AREITs (Climate Active verification standard). Previous roles across multiple property sectors at Investa Office, Stockland and Halladale (United Kingdom). Achievements include delivering Investa Office Fund’s strategy of selling offshore assets and reinvesting proceeds into the domestic market to establish a high quality portfolio of Australian CBD Office assets generating attractive risk-adjusted returns, to managing a suite of funds in the UK from 2006 to 2010, a period of rapid change in real estate markets. Holds a Bachelor of Commerce from the University of Newcastle and an Advanced Diploma of Financial Services.

David Dix, Thinktank
David Dix
Head of Asset Management, Thinktank Property Finance

David Dix is a highly experienced investment leader with more than 25 years in funds management, specialising in Alternatives, Multi‑Asset, and Private Markets. As Head of Asset Management, he builds and leads high‑performing teams, driving business growth through innovative product design, disciplined distribution strategy, and deep client engagement. Throughout his career, David has earned a reputation for shaping investment strategies that respond to evolving investor needs. He works closely with boards, executives, and clients to deliver solutions that enhance outcomes and strengthen long‑term partnerships.

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